Banned Account Explanation

[The RPS Girl]

Perhaps someone here can explain to me why my account XLdyTaraX was banned last night without an explanation given at the time of its removal and why Rob, the manager of this site, was not told it was being done?

I created this account yesterday because an earlier request of mine was ignored which was to reinstate my Tara Rynieyn account. An account I seem to recall was never banned for any infraction. It was a voluntary withdrawal on my part.

Perhaps someone can point me to the part in the guidelines I helped to write which states that I need permission to play here especially when I left on my own last year?

I have already spoken with Rob about coming back. I don't see what the problem or hold up is. Or maybe I do.



Last year I wrote:


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Tara Rynieyn
Old Wyrm
Joined: 04 Mar 2005
Posts: 491
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject:

Please remove my website, every post I've made that I failed to delete myself this evening and the following accounts off DM's database:

Tara Rynieyn
The RPS Girl
Tara's Junk Drawer

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And from that post I made last year, someone has now rewritten history to claim I was banned from DM? Today I got this email, a full sixteen hours AFTER the account was banned and lo and behold, it contains a falsehood!



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Subject: XLdyTaraX
Date: 4/11/2008 3:45:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
From: destre@dragonsmark.com
Reply To:
To: tararynieyn@aol.com, info@dragonsmark.com
CC:
BCC:
Sent on:

Sent from the Internet (Details)
Internet Address Card Attached


Hello,

I need to let you know that the Username XLdyTaraX has been inactivated
because you are still banned from Dragon's Mark.

Destre

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Still banned from DM? This is a joke. It has to be. How do we go from "Please remove my account" to "you are still banned"?

I would hate to jump to conclusions here and make an accusation that an Admin deliberately changed the password without just cause (i.e. a rules violation I know I did not commit) and did not have the decency to inform me as to the reason beforehand in IMs or emails. I would really hate to do that but I think any reasonable person would understand how I could arrive at that conclusion in light of this, no?

And why I would demand Rob to remove this individual's administrative privileges, immediately.

I'm thinking that this is retaliation due to the fact that when I left, voluntarily mind you, someone got twisted over my having the audacity to question their judgment call even though the very site they are administering is only here because I, along with others, helped to make it exist.

Please don't ever forget that because those of us that went to bat for this site certainly don't. This site was a collaborative effort and still is or at least was when I was here. It didn't just magically appear like some rainbow in the sky and the leader of this site, that being Rob, was handpicked, by us, the players. I believed in him to vote for him. Anyone else who has an Admin title here was chosen by him and should consider it a privilege, not a right.

Has this too been forgotten?

I would hate to think that any one member of this site could be banned for no reason like I have been. Even AOL gave you three TOS's and *always* with an explanation. I am only under this assumption because I remember discussing the guidelines of this site in many a meeting with Rob and others. I even have the logs! At least when we were all helping Rob come up with the guidelines that was in there somewhere. I know I didn't imagine it. I know a lot of people will back me up on this.

Rob, honestly, what gives? I'm shaking my head here at this and I almost get the feeling that one of your Admins (that being Amaltea) wanted a conflict just so she could later claim "Tara's just going off again." No, sorry. We're not going to play that card again. I let her get away with it the last time but not now.

She couldn't even write the explanation herself, she had Des do it. Isn't that convenient? Pathetic? Sad?

I don't blame you because I know you didn't do this but let's be honest here, this is absurd. Everyone remembers why I left and that I left voluntarily. This really bothers me that you weren't told my account was banned when you are the Manager of this site.

No one else. You. How much clearer can the playerbase be on this? It's even written in stone on a lot of the pages on this site. It was posted on PAP that you were the manager. Have we all suffered memory loss here?

It bothers me even more that I know why it was banned which is that Amaltea is letting their personal feelings get in the way here. Again.

You were the manager of the RDI on AOL. I was a Guide on AOL. As former CLs we both know this type of behavior was grounds for the revocation of CL privileges. We both know of CLs who were removed for less. This site was built on those principles and tenets.

I think you need to get a handle on who is doing what around here and make it clear that you make the final decisions. If decisions are made behind your back or without your approval, why do you continue to have these individuals as Admins? If you feel that you need help running this site and can't do it without them, ask some of us who have been by your side all this time who else can take up the reins in their stead. There are a multitude of individuals who would be happy to help out here and who would not go against protocol.

I've heard that there have been a few times where Amaltea went ahead with something without you knowing about it? Then when an explanation is demanded such as I am doing here, you have to calm everyone down but no apologies are given nor is Amaltea ever accountable for her actions. Wow. Just. Wow.

I expected more from this place. I trusted you to put rules in place so this sort of nonsense didn't occur. Now I'm asking you to undo the damage one of your Admins have caused and please don't blow me off this time. I respect you for creating this site. I know the time you have invested, perhaps more than others. I was angry with you last year because I felt this same Admin wasn't handling the problem and you blew me off. Now it's happening all over again and I have to wonder when it will end?

If she is unwilling to do the job she was given what the hell do you have her here for? I can't imagine you like all the controversy she causes. She doesn't even have the decency to clean it up herself. I always own up to the things I do. You do too.

I'd much rather see you make someone an Admin who is a little bit more familiar with this community, like, say, Kairee (the RDI former Manager and a CL), then someone who hardly ever showed up at the RDI and took over the Duels and is now making this site a virtual mess.

Lan, Jules, Eve, all former CLs, fully capable of becoming admins and all are familiar with the playerbase and the playerbase are familiar with them. All who helped out considerably in the RDI on AOL and here. All who were never reprimanded for abusing their hosting privileges and who, I know for an absolute fact, would never ban anyone on their own without your permission or do anything behind your back. I've known them for years. They are fair. You are fair. Your other Admin?



Consistently leaves a bad taste in player's mouths.

Makes decisions on a whim without caring how you feel about it.

Has a bad temper and takes out her personal feelings on players without providing a reason.


It's despicable, to be quite honest.

I don't walk around on eggshells yet from what I see a lot of your players are being forced to because of Amaltea's temper. Okay, well I'm not impressed or deterred or even intimidated. Especially when I got someone dead to rights as I do here.

Get rid of her. She's bad for business.

Please make this right, Rob. I'm not going to beg or be made to feel like I did something wrong nor will I allow any of your administrative team to pretend like I did or try to convince any member here that by banning me they made the right decision.

Nor will I be silenced.

This is wrong, man.

[Erinalle Dunbridge]

I, for one, will not be heading out to collect my pitchfork.

Next time, maybe, you should try to treat people with some respect instead of incinerating all your bridges. Sorry, Tara, this one's your own doing.

Next time try disagreeing without the personal attacks.
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[LdyBelial]

Look, I want to state upfront, I don’t feel that Amal Player has done enough that I have witnessed to ask for her to be removed as an Admin of DM. I would need a hell of a lot more evidence before I would even begin to ruminate on such an extreme.

However? Banning Tara? We got a problem. I don’t think that’s fair. I’ve seen others get away with far worse behavior on a far more consistent basis and they are still allowed to rp on DM. What gives?

I recall Tara left of her own accord. She wasn’t ‘asked’ to leave, she chose to leave. Therefore it reasons that now she is ready to return, she should be able to.

You know, I wasn’t around for the formation of DM. I didn’t know about how Panther player was “voted” in as Manager. But I was there for the exodus of Tara last year. I know she was the one doing the leaving. What I don’t understand is; where does the “banning” come in?

Any way this cake is cut, it’s rancid. This isn’t fair and I’m sorry if the admins don’t like that I’m jumping on this bandwagon, but I won’t sit idly by and watch the injustice being done without speaking out about it.

Look… Evil is allowed to perpetuate when good people stand by and do nothing. I am not going to live my life staying quietly on the sidelines when I see something as blatantly unfair, unjust and unkind as this.

Tara’s sns should be reinstated.

I realize that Panther player is our “Benevolent Dictator” and nothing any of us say may matter to him. But still… That doesn’t make what’s happening to Tara’s player any better nor does it make it right.

Make it right, be fair: Give her back her Tara accounts.

Lanette

[Sid]

I don't care what went on behind the scenes, personal attacks, what not. And, I don't think anyone should be removed from any position. Yet, there is one fact and one fact only...

Tara was NOT BANNED. SHE LEFT. This is wrong that now history is being rewritten to make it seem she was banned in the first place. She was NOT.

I know at least two players on this site I shake my head at when I see their SNs in the room. They are still allowed to play after some fairly heinous acts and yet Tara, WHO LEFT OF HER OWN ACCORD, is banned? One cannot run a public venue and let personal feelings play into it when rules and guidelines WERE NOT BROKEN. Plain and Simple.
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Bar Goddess

Asylum disciple,
Lord of the wild!
Soul-spinner thriller;
Life’s crash-hungry child...

[Natolii]

I am going to echo Lan & Sid's words especially in light of this policy...

Cyber

I do not have to say I think this was heavy handed even though I do. But hey you can get a short time-out for sex in the chat rooms.

[Lydia Loran]

My two cents. I might as well.

I was around for Tara's Exodus as well. Many of us were kept up to date on what happened as Tara provided a crapload of information on her site, as well as logs. On said logs I remember reading conversations between her and Amaltea. I remember her treating Amaltea horribly. I am sorry but I don't care if you are an administrator or not, no one deserves to be treated in such a manner.

I cannot say I blame anyone for the deletion of Tara's accounts, given the fiasco of last year and her behavior towards certain peoples. I know I have not always agreed with Amaltea, but I would never attack her personally or curse at her or speak derogatorily towards her.

And for the sake of fairness, I will say I think there could have been more communication involved in this situation. I think Tara did at least have a right to know what was going on, and explanations as to why she was being banned and her accounts deleted.

[Fiona DeAuster]

I was also around during the above event and remember pointedly that it was Tara player that asked directly to be removed.

Not sure what this banning business is about but it does seem to be unfair. As an admin they should be able to look past their own personal feelings. Having been an RDI years back, it's a case of smile from the wrist down, correct?

I am not going to point fingers here, as I think the current admins are doing a fine job. Sure there are some folks on this site I am not fond of, but even I wouldn't start calling for any bans. Fair is fair after all. We all have the right to play.

Considering that she was a big supporter of this site in the past, why not let her return?

Just my thoughts on the matter.
Fiona's Player.
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"Someone screaming softly in the distance
I run to seek my refuge from the light
until the darkness once more falls upon me"
Stabbing Westward

[Talomar Longden]

I'm in full agreement with Lanette.

I know Tara's heart, and her desire to come back to write and play had no negative motivations behind it.

I know how happy she has been to be able to write and rp here again, and I just think it's very sad to prohibit that.

There are many around who badmouth DM everyday and attack people here, and they're allowed to come and go as they wish. I've seen Tara publicly defend DM, and no matter what happened a year ago, this is just not right.

Tal

[Dracina Hemdagg]

I don't seem to recall this event. Must've been under my radar at the time.

Anyway, I will say this, leaving of one's own free will and banning are two completely different things. Since it seems clear that this person left of her own will, I don't grasp at all how she could be "banned." It does sound a bit heavy handed.
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[Adalia Dodd]

I have to say that I agree with L.

There is absolute no reason for anyone to be verbally, textually, or any other-ally affronted. It's just unacceptable.

I would say, if this did happen, then Amaltea has every right to ban until there is some sort of reconciliation, and/or apology.

Honestly, I understand that people feel this is taking away from someone's freedom to use this website (or any of the others connected,) but unless we're decent to each other, then what's the point? I'd much rather play in an environment where people strive to get along and understand each other, than a website that allows people to completely pass over moral imperatives.

People can be mad, sure, but I want to note that I'm just saying I don't believe verbal assults should ever be allowed or looked over.

Thanks for reading. That is all.

[LdyBelial]

[CptStephenKidd]

I am going to wiegh in here and say that yes Tara did leave of her own free, to now say otherwise is just plain wrong. As for Tara cursing, and speaking horribly to Amal, well what is done away from this site, or done in im's is not really a matter that should come into the factoring, unless it was expressed as such when it occurred last year. To the best of my knowledge Tara never violated any of this sites TOS to the best of my knowledge, so I would think that she would deserve atleast some sort of explanation of why her account is banned.

Also I did not see any personal attack in Taras original post on this thread, nor did I see one last year when she left. Did she use strong language and terminology?...Yes she did, but not a personal attack. If that is anyway refrencing a more recent event somewhere else, it has no business being brought up here, as Tara, right wrong or indifferent played by that sites rules as well.
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[Adalia Dodd]

Since new things have come to light, I'd rephrase what I said before in this form:

If you insult or affront another player, you should be banned. Period. There can't be any favoritism that way.

[Natolii]

Then two people in this thread should fall into this catagory for the way they bash others in the lobby in full view of everyone...

Good for the goose...

[The RPS Girl]

There seems to be a nasty little misconception here that I harassed Amaltea.

1. She IMed me on AOL as I was leaving. Not the other way around.

2. She accused me of doing things to a player who was creating one alternate SN after the next in order to PM me and escape my ignoring her even though the logs of this site showed I was not doing anything the player said I was. Logs as in chat logs and PM logs. All the PMs sent were initiated by the player. I asked for a way to make them stop. Then I got....

3. Amaltea telling me I had no right to respond to the player and I got annoyed because when the player didn't get a response from me on DM she started emailing me on AOL. Excuse me but I paid for my AOL account, not Amaltea, and I will decide who gets to email me, thank you.

4. She then accused me of telling players to leave. I did not do this and Rob knows I did not. I never wanted anyone to leave this site, a site I wanted to exist.

If you were not part of this you cannot possibly speculate or even say, as fact, as to what occured, Erin, Adalia, Lydia. Seeing as I *was* part of it, I know exactly what happened and why I left. You want to disagree with me, fine, but let's be clear on what we are disagreeing on. Let's stop saying I harassed someone when you three were not part of the situation, ok?

I did not leave without offering up a solution to the ignore problem. A problem I see which has yet to be resolved.

I sent the board code for a Friends/Foes list to Rob to consider implementing. This would allow any of us to ignore anyone else without the silly pop up messages coming up that start this in the first place or anything else. If you put someone on the Foes they can't PM or IM you at all throughout the site.

I didn't just throw my hands up. I didn't fly off on a tangent. I offered a solution and it was ignored. I was then accused of things I didn't do. I left out of disgust.

I wanted to come back because friends of mine asked me. I was willing to let this all be in the past and I was perfectly willing and still am willing to let whoever is angry with me ignore me. Not a problem.

So don't say this is not a personal thing when it is clear how it can be perceived as such.

If I didn't break a rule what's the reason for the banning? I would like to know from Rob what happened here. I know he is not to blame based on comments he has made to me last week. I know he wouldn't do something like this without a damn good reason.

So tell me the reason and not because I responded to an Admin's initiating a conflict with me in the past. As far as I'm concerned that was all over and done with.

Evidently it is still going on. I would have appreciated a heads up.