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| What power do you feel the Governor has? |
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73% |
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| Absolute! |
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7% |
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| Budget & Judiciary (Watch, arrests, etc.) |
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15% |
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| Budget Only |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Other |
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3% |
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Kairee Old Wyrm


Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 565 Location: Wherever she wants to be
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, gotcha.
I agree. Characters should be played true to themselves.
However, one of the tenets of this site and Free Form Roleplay is that you can't force people to play with anyone. People choose who they play with and who they don't want to play with.
The point of this site is NOT interactive RP exclusively.
The site encourages free form role-play. That is role-play without rules.
Some people do this on the message boards through collaborative story telling/writing. Others chose to do it in live interactive chat. But no where is it mandated that you have to or should play with any and everyone.
There are many of us open to ad-hoc play with anyone. there are those that are not.
Both are fine. There is no problem there.
The Free form means "sans rules". It means the role-play is not governed by any RPG style rules.
Play groups can be private and people can choose levels of understanding on how things will be done among the group but it doesn't extend to any and everyone else. _________________ -Kairee
The Splendiferous One and Mage-Babe Supreme
"With Great Power comes Great Boredom." |
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Amaltea DM Admin


Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 2247
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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I hate to disagree, but we do have rules. No, they are not RPG rules, but we do have them. Pharos has even more rules, because it is Free Form in a defined setting.
Just like some will not acknowledge a governor, some will not acknowledge a nexus.
Now about this thread's topic of the election. The election was created by players, namely Talomar and G last year. I help with the voting ( to keep it fair), someone gets a purple name (to give some recognition). The governor folder was requested by Kitty, just like any player requests a story folder. The elections are still player sponsored, the staff has nothing to do with it. It's up to the players to decide how to use it for their own roleplay or they can ignore it. Like everything else in FreeForm except for the rules. |
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Panther DM Admin


Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 2132 Location: RhyDin
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Just to sorta toss this out there... cause I was recently reminded of it.
For me, when playing Panth, he does not consider there to be a government in RhyDin. When it has come up in play, he has talked to people about the "Merchants Assocication". Basically, a group merchant representatives that help... influence... things that happen in RhyDin, because it is in their best interest to do so.
If you want to use the guild analogy (no, not THAT kind of guild), maybe there is this master guild made up of representatives from the other various guilds and merchant groups that set the policies that most merchants abide by. Or course there are always those that feel they can do better without the help of the Association... a sort of union versus non-union situation.
Maybe they even collect dues to help pay for the Watch... because it is in their best interest to have a safe city... least during the day when the shops are open.
Maybe... the governor isn't a political/governmental job in the sense that we all think, but is maybe the head of this board that runs the Merchants Association (MA)...?
Then.... as far as how much power they have... well... folks that play other merchants could choose or not to choose to be apart of the MA and use the various aspects in their play. Individuals wouldn't be... beholden... to any sort of decree made by the gov, but they may have voluntary, personal and or business reasons to interact with them as a part of their lives. This could possibly make it easier for anyone/everyone to acknowledge that there is "a governor", but just as easily dismiss it as a position that does not effect them in their day-to-day existence.
Or..... it can all stay the way it is... just thought I would toss that out there. _________________
"Even the maggot can serve a purpose in the right circumstance... "
Panther - Overseer of the madhouse that is the Red Dragon Inn.
Tales of the Cat
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LdyBelial Old Wyrm


Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 318 Location: It depends. What year is it?
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Panther wrote: |
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I love the idea. I am going to use it. Thanks Panther Player!
Lanette |
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AlexRavenlock Ancient Wyrm


Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 734 Location: ...
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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The idea actually makes decent sense, Panth.
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| Maybe they even collect dues to help pay for the Watch... because it is in their best interest to have a safe city... least during the day when the shops are open. |
I'm especially liking that part. Actually gives insight why some of these poor fools want to watch over those city folk! |
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Natolii Ancient Wyrm


Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 631 Location: Plotting world domination... Nah, too much work
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Merchant associations were fun to play.
QuestCoin Coalition anyone? _________________ Mama keep the faith it's alright
Your boy's a mercenary man
A soldier made of steel
A shotgun rings; the wind is calling my name
Fields of gold beneath a blood red sky
~ Mercenary Man, Firewind |
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Keaton Adult Wyrm


Joined: 16 Dec 2005 Posts: 164 Location: A cozy apartment by the Hands Over Hollywood cafe
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Panther's idea ftw.
Seriously, I've been racking my brain for a long time over the governor thing, and couldn't think of anything rational enough to leave me satisfied. Your idea makes good sense. |
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Lain Amthras Old Wyrm


Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 543 Location: Anywhere but here.
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| I like this idea. A lot. It's simple and I like the sort of 'in the shadows' strings pulling. =) |
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Mi Young Wyrm


Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Posts: 25
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| I too like Panther's idea. Personally, I'd love to see it get fleshed out more, and developed into a little more detail, then perhaps put on the RhydinWiki? That way, the knowledge is available for people to use should they wish to play into this, or reference it in their writing. |
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Amaltea DM Admin


Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 2247
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I too like Panther's idea. Personally, I'd love to see it get fleshed out more, and developed into a little more detail, then perhaps put on the RhydinWiki? That way, the knowledge is available for people to use should they wish to play into this, or reference it in their writing. |
While Panther's idea is a good one, that was his idea of what the role could be, the case is we do not define role of governor. This should be up to the player who is elected as governor. The wiki can have a record of what the governor did during his/her year.
There are many things that can be played as the Governor, but they are all part of what this player has thought of as their own story line. Maybe Joe gets elected and he decides his year will be full of intrigue, scandal, etc. Maybe Joe wants to be the greatest philanthropist and go down in history as the guy that helped the poor, built better hospices, fed the hungry, contributed to all sorts of charities.
Maybe Jim wants to be governor because his group of evil doers have decided to bring terror to RhyDin under the cover of politics. There can be campaigns by those that have discovered his evil plans of world conquest to overthrow him.
Maybe Johnny has no clue what to do if he gets elected and just wings it. Johnny wants to be more like a rockstar and makes sure he's in Marc Franco's column every week.
A governor candidate can promise all they want. Isn't that what political candidates do?
I see the position as a figure head with lots of roleplay opportunities for the player and those who wish to play with the governor. |
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Mi Young Wyrm


Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Posts: 25
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| As a curiosity, if the elections are a player driven event and a good number, if not the majority, of people join in on signing a petition for a vote of no confidence then why ignore that? |
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JewellRavenlock Great Wyrm


Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 2612 Location: Deceased
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Mi wrote: |
| As a curiosity, if the elections are a player driven event and a good number, if not the majority, of people join in on signing a petition for a vote of no confidence then why ignore that? |
I was curious about this myself and not just because I play an active part in the "No Confidence" idea. If the idea of having a governor is to foster play then why is that play then being basically ignored? The "No Confidence" idea is playing into the role of governor. Isn't it expected that in a lawless city like RhyDin, people would object (IC) to their being a governor? The playable of "governor" was put out there and people responded, perhaps just not in the way that others would like them to respond or expected them to.
I could understand if there was an IC reason tacked along with the non-inclusion of the "No Confidence" option. Actually, that would make a lot of sense from an IC point of view. Why would the people in charge and the potential governors want there to be a "No Confidence" option when it would clearly be so popular and just lead to their not taking office or keeping their power. Having an IC justification posted would be enriching play. Instead, with the option left off and no mention of why, IC or OOC, a good SL has just been killed (or maybe temporarily maimed). _________________ You've got your pretty face. You've got disarming eyes.
You've got such social grace. I've got my pretty spies.
I found you lost, misplaced. I loved that lovely guise.
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Amaltea DM Admin


Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 2247
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Elect: to choose or select by vote, as for an office: to elect a mayor. |
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| Election: The selection of a person or persons for office by vote. |
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No Confidence Vote:
A motion of no confidence, also called a vote of no confidence, a censure motion, a no-confidence motion, or simply a confidence motion, is a parliamentary motion traditionally put before a parliament by the opposition in the hope of defeating or embarrassing a government. On rare occasions, it may also be put on the parliamentary order paper by an erstwhile supporter who has lost confidence in the government. The motion is passed or rejected by means of a parliamentary vote (a vote of no confidence). In the British Parliament it generally first appears as an early day motion although the vote on the Queen's Speech also constitutes a Confidence Motion.
Governments often respond to a motion of no confidence by proposing a motion of confidence which, according to parliamentary procedure in the Westminster system, takes precedence and so replaces the motion of no confidence. |
The point of an election is to elect someone. Either you vote, or you don't. That's your choice.
A "No Confidence" vote is something completely different. |
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CptStephenKidd Young Wyrm

Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 145 Location: RhyDin, or the open seas
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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I will admit I have no clue about political terms....I simply used No Confidence because well Stephen has no confidence in a government in RhyDin.
I agree normally in rl world something like this would not be put on a ballot. However we did ask for it to be a option here as a form of rp. This is just another aspect of rp, as was the governor idea when it was come up with. I think it is dissappointing to many to see a player driven story arc within the idea of the elections diregarded, which were a player driven idea in and of themselves. I speak only for myself when I say that when one side is summarily ignored or not given credence it would make it appear that the elections are a semi closed sl, that we are only allowed to interact within set boundries or else it will not be recognized as part of the whole. If that is the case then why would the community choose to have any play with an election that we will not have any kind of control about.
Some may read this, and say "Oh thats just sour grapes.". Well the truth is that I would feel the same way no matter whose sl this was, and if this sl had been a flop or no one other then my alt's taken interest I wouldn't care either. Well I am just rambling, and making little sense so I will close this out. _________________ Drinkin, Swashbucklin', Thievin', Gamblin', Anarchy & Wenchin'........A pirates work is never done. |
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LordTravanix Ancient Wyrm


Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 670 Location: Dark Towers, The Chainned Inn
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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I believe what the vote of no confidence means is that it means that the current options for voting are not the most optimal, and that through a vote of no confidence a new primary and general election is done.
Its not about the not voting, its about the not voting for those that have somehow managed to get through the filter into the general election.
My 2. _________________ We all have our place in life - Mine is to dominate it!
Is it better to be feared or respected? I say: Can't it be both? |
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